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  With William Burroughs

  A Report from the Bunker

  Victor Bockris

  CONTENTS

  Introduction to the Revised Edition by Victor Bockris

  A Passport for William Burroughs: Introduction

  On Writing

  On Dreams

  On Women

  On Men

  Burroughs in London

  Burroughs in New York

  On Drugs

  Burroughs in Hollywood

  Burroughs in Colorado

  Burroughs in Italy

  New York City Close-ups

  On Politics

  On Psychic Sex

  On the Interview

  Looking for Ian

  With Beckett in Berlin

  Nothing to Think About: Burroughs and the Rolling Stones

  Over the Hills and Far Away

  The Best Dinner Party I Ever Gave, 1986

  William Burroughs: Cool Cats, Furry Cats, and Aliens, but No Purring, 1991

  Identification Chart

  Index

  Acknowledgments

  About the Author

  INTRODUCTION TO THE REVISED EDITION

  by Victor Bockris

  Some things should be made clear about With William Burroughs: A Report from the Bunker, which focuses on Burroughs’s life in New York from 1974 to 1980.

  Burroughs returned to New York City from London in 1974 after twenty-five years of self-imposed exile from the United States. Like all the significant geographical moves he has made during his career—from Mexico to Tangier in 1953, from Tangier to Paris in 1958, from Paris to London in 1962—it signaled a new departure in his work as much as it signaled a new period in the cultures in which he is a powerful force.

  In 1974 the New York punk rock movement was struggling to its feet. In fact, the first person who told me that Burroughs was back in town was Patti Smith. She announced his arrival from the stage of the St. Marks Poetry Project as if it were a move of military significance. “Mr. Burroughs is back in town,” she whooped. “Isn’t that great!” Patti understood more than most his full significance. Not only did Burroughs dream the prophetic vision of the sixties as a “love generation,” he provided the punk rock movement, wittingly or unwittingly, with its basic credo: Nothing is true, everything is permitted. So far as I know, he is the only writer who sent a letter of support to The Sex Pistols when they released “God Save the Queen.” His own piece, “Bugger the Queen,” had been written three years earlier. There was a profound connection between the punks and William Burroughs: They were his children.

  William’s arrival on the downtown scene came into prominence in 1978, when a three-day international conference, the Nova Convention, organized around the principle of celebrating Burroughs’s influence, took place in New York.

  My book and my role in Burroughs’s life started in 1974 with conversations that took place during the course of several dinners at his place on the Bowery, referred to by Bill as the Bunker, and my apartment at 106 Perry Street in the West Village. They were taped for a profile in People magazine that was never published. One of our first dinners included Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones, who showed up three hours late, making a bad impression on a man whose impeccable etiquette was leftover from a different era. But it was not until 1978 that I was able to really get involved with Burroughs. I first worked for him as an aide during the Nova Convention and progressed from being an interviewer to a colleague. Gradually, I became a part of his inner circle, that with tongue firmly in cheek may be called the Bunker Mafia.

  The Bunker was a large three-room space that had originally been the locker room of a gymnasium on the second floor of 222 Bowery in the heart of the Lower East Side. The windowless, totally white, starkly lit cavern of a space was three blocks south of CBGB and across the street from a block-long heroin supermarket, where among other blends was one called Dr. Nova in honor of Burroughs’s 1964 novel Nova Express. To get into the Bunker one had to pass through three locked gates and a gray bulletproof metal door. To get through the gates you had to telephone from a nearby phone booth, at which point someone would come down and laboriously unlock, then relock three gates before leading you up the single flight of gray stone stairs to the ominous front door of William S. Burroughs’s headquarters. Often, the phone would be engaged and you would find yourself on a dark, cold, wet night freezing your ass off while desperately trying to get through, furtively glancing around for potential muggers.

  It was, however, always more than worth the wait, numb though you might become, for upon admittance you entered a world as hermetic, individual, and electric—as full of love and tension—as Elvis Presley’s Graceland.

  Like Elvis, William had always surrounded himself with a small, protective group of men who catered in every way to his need to work. The core group of the Bunker Mafia centered around its foreman, James Grauerholz. James, in his early twenties, was from Burroughs’s home state, Kansas, and had been introduced to William by Allen Ginsberg. William immediately spotted in him all the qualities—patience, perseverance, energy, a sense of humor—that would make him Burroughs’s most efficient long-term collaborator. After James came John Giorno, the poet, performer, inventor of the Giorno Poetry Systems, and later founder of the AIDS Treatment Project, who lived upstairs and collaborated with James on many Burroughs events. Next in line were: Stewart Meyer, whose novel The Lotus Crew was written during his apprenticeship with Burroughs; Howard Brookner, whose documentary, “Burroughs,” was filmed at the same time this book was written; and Ted Morgan, a longtime friend who would become Burroughs’s biographer. I was the sixth man on the team. There was a large assorted cast of others who came and went with the regularity that a constantly growing organization demands.

  Early on in my relationship with Burroughs I was struck by the remarkable difference between being with him in private and public. In private William revealed himself as a classic racounteur as well as having the sweetest and most endearing intelligence I have ever encountered, apart from that of Andy Warhol, with whom Bill had a lot in common. In public, however, I saw an altogether different animal. It wasn’t so much that Burroughs himself would change. Indeed, like Keith Richards, there is little difference between William on and off stage—he is who he appears to be. It was the fans. Everybody who approached him did so with such a mixture of reverence and fear that they were often shaking and unable to speak. People would often ask me, for example, to ask William to sign a book for them. When I encouraged them to ask him themselves, hastening to add that he would not bite, they turned ashen, and trembled, mumbling, “No … No!” as if by making contact with him they would evaporate.

  That’s when it struck me: A book was needed to introduce William to his public as a humorous, sharp-minded individual, not some heavy metal character like the dread Dr. Benway himself. I thought such a book would allow people to hear the tone of his voice as they read and so find the writer and his books less threatening. To accomplish this, I took sound advice from Andy Warhol, for whom I was working at the time at Interview magazine, edited by Bob Colacello. From the outset I saw William as a great collaborative artist. I always felt that his brand of conversation—intellectual but laced with liberal doses of humor—was a form of collaboration in itself. Andy said that, rather than interview someone with an agenda of questions, it was better to introduce him to another equally famous and intelligent person and record their conversation. Eventually I used this stra
tegy to introduce Bill to some of the greatest luminaries of the time: Warhol himself, Lou Reed, Joe Strummer, Susan Sontag, David Bowie, Terry Southern, Jean Michel Basquait, Patti Smith, Nicholas Roeg, Christopher Isherwood, Tennessee Williams, Debbie Harry, and Mick Jagger.

  It was the most enjoyable work I have ever done. Often, when I transcribed the tapes the following morning, or hammered out my notes on the typewriter, I would fall off my chair and roll around on the floor laughing. I could just as well have called these manic remembrances Secret Mullings About Bill if Jack Kerouac had not already come up with that title for his prospective book about the man.

  In retrospect, I hope that the book can serve more purposes than it did when originally published in 1981 in New York, London, Paris, Tokyo, and Milan. It is, for example, something of a chronicle of the novel Burroughs was writing from 1974 to 1980, Cities of the Red Night. This book, the first in a trilogy that would include The Place of Dead Roads and Western Lands, marks a pivot in his career.

  When he first moved back to New York in 1974, Burroughs confided to Grauerholz that he did not know whether he had it in him to still write fiction. James replied, “Oh, man, don’t say that.” There, in miniature, is the Burroughs-Grauerholz relationship. Grauerholz, who played by far the most important role in Burroughs’s life and work during these years, encouraged Burroughs to go on. Not only did he guide him through the six years of writing Cities, he also opened up a whole new world to Burroughs by encouraging him, for the first time in his life, to do a series of public readings. These performances, apart from putting much-needed dollars in his bank account, brought Burroughs into contact with a large international audience he had not known existed. This audience, more than anything, perhaps, gave William the energy to once again unload his word hoard. And what a word hoard it was. Over the next twenty-odd years Burroughs would publish thirty-seven books around the world.

  Burroughs’s active presence in New York also played a significant role in bringing the Beats back into prominence. He supported the punk rock movement and developed relationships with artists from many genres: Frank Zappa, Joe Strummer, and David Bowie in music; Keith Haring, Warhol, and Jean Michel Basquait in visual arts; Lester Bangs and Robert Palmer in rock criticism; and Allen Ginsberg, John Giorno, and Anne Waldman in poetry. Several newfound relationships opened paths that would carry William to an ever-growing public in the eighties and nineties. He appeared in Gus Van Sant’s Drugstore Cowboy and David Cronenberg filmed Burroughs’s own novel Naked Lunch. He expanded his recording career, producing more than ten albums of his readings, often accompanied by like-minded musicians. Then, following the death of his greatest collaborator of the 1950s and 1960s, the artist Brion Gysin, Burroughs developed a career as a painter. He also wrote opera lyrics with Robert Wilson and Tom Waites.

  It is startling to see what happened to the cast of characters that originally appeared in With William Burroughs. Many, geniuses all, died: Brion Gysin, Terry Southern, Andy Warhol, Keith Haring, Jean Michel Basquait, to name but a few. Several others seemed to fade but then made incredible comebacks, like Patti Smith. Still others kept going with prodigious productivity: Lou Reed, Allen Ginsberg, and John Giorno. But what can be said of the éminence grise himself?

  Ten years after the publication of With William Burroughs, I went to interview William in Kansas, where he had relocated in 1981. Since I’d last supped with him at the Bunker, Bill had poured forth a stream of books, records, films, and paintings that would have left a man half his age exhausted. He still had more energy than I did. On top of that, I was stunned by the enormous international growth of his audience. When I had first met him in 1974, some people had given Bill up for a burned-out case. Now, as I write in the spring of 1996, he is more celebrated internationally than ever before, but he is the same Bill as the one I had known at the Bunker. Considerate. Enthusiastic. Open. Helpful. Full of stories. Yet as Allen Ginsberg has recently pointed out, Burroughs was also still drenched in grief for events—from the death of his wife to the death of his son—too awful to recount.

  Living in the same time as William Burroughs is, for me, like I imagine living in the same time as Dickens or Shakespeare must have been, although William has always insisted that he is “just a technical sergeant in the Shakespeare Squadron.” If this book may give his new, mostly young, growing audience of Burroughsians (people who share his enlightened visions of how to live) the feeling of what it would be like to simply have dinner with Bill, it will have served the purpose of its second incarnation.

  —Victor Bockris

  106 Perry Street

  New York City

  1996

  A PASSPORT FOR WILLIAM BURROUGHS INTRODUCTION

  “As a child I wanted to be a writer because writers were rich and famous,” Burroughs begins. “They lounged around Singapore and Rangoon smoking opium in yellow pongee silk suits. They sniffed cocaine in Mayfair and they penetrated forbidden swamps with a faithful native boy and lived in the native quarter of Tangier smoking hashish and languidly caressing a pet gazelle.

  “My first literary essay was called The Autobiography of a Wolf. People laughed and said: ‘You mean the biography of a wolf.’ No, I mean the autobiography of a wolf and still do. I was quite sure I wanted to be a writer when I was eight. There was something called Carl Cranbury in Egypt that never got off the ground.… Carl Cranbury frozen back there on yellow lined paper, his hand an inch from his blue steel automatic. In this set I also wrote westerns, gangster stories, and haunted houses. I was quite sure that I wanted to be a writer.”

  Burroughs was born February 5, 1914. He spent his childhood in a solid, three-story brick house in St. Louis in what he later described as “a malignant matriarchal society.” He was the grandson of the inventor of the adding machine, and his parents, Mr. and Mrs. Mortimer Burroughs, were comfortable. “My father owned and ran a glass business.” He has one brother, Mortimer Burroughs, Jr. The family of four lived with their English governess, whose name was Mary Evans (she left quite suddenly for England when Bill was five) at 4664 Pershing Avenue until William was twelve. As a child his hair was blond.

  “My mother’s character was enigmatic and complex. Sometimes old and knowing, mostly with a tremulous look of doom and sadness, she suffered from head and back aches, was extremely psychic, and was interested in magic. She had a dream one night that my brother Mort came to the door, his face covered with blood, and said, ‘Mother, we’ve had an accident.’ And at that very moment, Mort was in a car accident and suffered a few minor cuts. She had a very definite intuition about people—‘like an animal,’ she described it. And she would make flat judgments, warning my father of a business contact: ‘I think he’s crooked all over.’ She was not a lady of reserve and nineteenth-century refinements; she was clearly crippled by her Bible Belt upbringing, which had imposed an abhorrence of bodily functions. She was indeed a lady of great poise and charm, and ran a gift and art shop for many years and wrote a book on flower arranging for the Coca-Cola Company. She was a complete alien to the icy, remote strata of the serene, rich matrons she saw every day in the shop.… ‘We must get together,’ they would say, but they rarely did. She didn’t belong in the ‘in’ group. Neither did my father, who certainly had nothing to recommend him in the way of lineage. Son of an originally penniless bank clerk from Massachusetts—nobody knew where he came from or who he was.

  “So the family was never in. This feeling I experienced from early childhood, of living in a world where I was not accepted, caused me to develop a number of displeasing characteristics. I was shy and awkward, and at the same time furtive and purposeful. An old St. Louis aristocrat with cold blue eyes chews his pipe … ‘I don’t want that boy in the house again. He looks like a sheep-killing dog.’ And a St. Louis matron said: ‘He is a walking corpse.’ No, I was not escaping my elitist upbringing through crime: I was not searching for an identity denied me by the Wasp elite, who have frequently let me know just where I stand.
r />   “My earliest memories were colored by a nightmare fear. I was afraid to be alone, and afraid of the dark, and afraid to go to sleep because of dreams where a supernatural horror seemed always on the point of taking shape. I was afraid someday the dream would still be there when I woke up. I recall hearing a maid talk about opium and how smoking opium brings sweet dreams, and I said, ‘I will smoke opium when I grow up.’

  “I was subject to hallucinations as a child. Once I woke up in the early-morning light and saw little men playing in a blockhouse I had made. I felt no fear, only a feeling of stillness and wonder. Another recurrent hallucination or nightmare concerned ‘animals in the wall,’ and started with the delirium of a strange undiagnosed fever that I had at the age of four or five.

  “I was timid with other children and afraid of physical violence. One aggressive little lesbian would pull my hair whenever she saw me. I would like to shove her face in right now, but she fell off a horse and broke her neck years ago.”

  When William was twelve, his parents decided to move to a house in the suburbs with five acres of ground on Price Road. “My parents decided to ‘get away from people.’ They bought a large house with grounds and woods and a fish pond where there were squirrels instead of rats. They lived there in a comfortable capsule, with a beautiful garden and cut off from contact with the life of the city.” He attended the John Burroughs (no relation) private high school. “I was not particularly good or bad at sports. I had a definite blind spot for anything mechanical. I never liked competitive games and avoided these whenever possible. I became, in fact, a chronic malingerer. I did like fishing, hunting, and hiking.” He also read Wilde, Anatole France, Baudelaire, and Gide.

  At fifteen Bill was sent to Los Alamos Ranch School in New Mexico for his health. He had a bad sinus condition. “I formed a romantic attachment for one of the boys at Los Alamos and we spent time together bicycling, fishing, and exploring old quarries. I kept a diary about ‘our relationship.’ I was sixteen and I’d just read Dorian Gray … you can imagine. Even now I blush to remember the contents of that grimoire. It put me off writing for many years. During the Easter vacation of my second year I persuaded my family to let me stay in St. Louis, so my things were packed and sent to me from school and I used to turn cold thinking that maybe the boys were reading my diary out loud to each other. When the box finally arrived I pried it open and threw away everything until I found the diary and destroyed it forthwith, without even a glance at the appalling pages.”